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Jul 29, '08 7:13am #1
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E]V[INE]V[
What is a good counter to someone that goes mass temps? I'm not talking about drops. I can hold off toss fairly well in terms of dodging drops and getting to mid game where I have guards and can pump. My problem is dealing with mass temps. If I go mass guards, 6-8 temps take out my entire army and that's 4k+ gas down the drain. If I got ground, same thing, storm just wipes out my army. Cloud does nothing for me either. Any ideas?
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Jul 29, '08 7:18am #3
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XB_ANNIHILATION
mass hatches will let u pump a shitload...zerg can pump faster than toss can temp... aside from that... spread ur gards... at ur base have mass sunks..that holds off toss nicely... and u can mass ling...so if they storm they risk hurting ther own...and lings are so cheap..u can mass them easily if u have enough hatches....
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Jul 29, '08 7:43am #4
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CLOVER(LETHAL)
storm is cheap... and a good 5-6 storms can kill of a max'd zerg. i've played ppl with literally... 20 temps in their base turtling... plus a few reavers and arbs its hard to break.
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Jul 29, '08 7:46am #5
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ANTI[S]HOCK
flank guards, lurk drop there main with cloud ~
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Jul 29, '08 8:00am #6
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E]V[INE]V[
I don't play BW and as clover was saying, it's hard to break through 10-15 temps with goons and cannons. |
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Jul 29, '08 8:43am #7
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JESSICA[NK]
I don't beleive that there is any good ways to break this other than just simply pumping hard and mircoing what you have at the same time to try aviod losing as few as possible units per storm. Doing this however still will take a very long time to break them as my expiriences have told me, often longer than my patience. Also a good idea is to try destroy their main as soon as possible with muta or guards which will slow their gas supply significantly, and seeing they will be using all gas expensive units they will eventually run out of it providing you pump non stop and make them use gas faster than they can mine it.
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Jul 29, '08 9:17am #8
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ANTI[S]HOCK
Yeah i couldn't think of any, only flanking guards works well.. i hate getting to the stage where the toss just turtles and cannons everywhere, it turn's into a huge long game, u needa find the time where u can max pure guards + devourers and they rock the game ~ but it's hard 2 get PURE guards + devs because if u get stormed etc ur gas get's fucked + u needa keep pumpn other unit's to hold ur choke ~
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Jul 29, '08 10:41am #9
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1000N
Send groups of mutas to many different angles from where you gonna attack, make into gaurds and attack - have 1-2 devs with each group of gaurds to hold off any sairs for long enough to kill buildings/choke. If no reavers makes mass lings rally pointed at ur choke for nonstop ling attacking (storm sucks vs lings cuz they are on the toss men too) If they do have reavers you really need lots of gaurds SPREAD OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. Get gas exp to afford this.
If you wanna try you can also go gaurds with lurks and hydes in swarm. Hydra does this the best! |
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Jul 29, '08 10:52am #10
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E]V[INE]V[
For the 2nd time, I'm talking about regular SC, not BW. No devours or corsairs. |
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Jul 29, '08 10:54am #11
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ANTI[S]HOCK
Then, just do what he said.. but cut out the devs and sairs? You ain't gna get a better explanation then that ~
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Jul 29, '08 11:18am #12
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PRE.XPRESSION
Massss Zerglings is the best + Guardian, plus zerglings save you alot of gas
if you get to the point where hes only storming your guards + lings pretty much means they are in defense mode make gas expo, trust me it helps alot another thing mass hatchery's in the middle spot and pump via the middle, you will rape them no matter what another thing once you get gas expo and your gas is high, you can pump guards right? if templars is your main concern try to get 3-4 groups of guardians and attack from every side, right side left , and maybe 1 or 2 at their entrance with your zerglings, that way if they arent pro you'll get through somehow, swarm with lings at choke might be a bit useful, cuz their dragoons wont do shit and they HAVE to waste their storms! gl man tell me what u get lol Oh another thing you can try is to main snipe them, their gas will go down exponentially and massing temps will be hard also with your guardians snipe as many templars as you can! Edited by 94 on Jul 29, '08 11:19am about 128 days ago.
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Jul 29, '08 5:16pm #14
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LA.PROSENER
maxed on guards and flank them so they cant get alot of guards per storm, while ur atacking maxed with guards u have to go mass lings+hydras so when they come to p's base he he has nothing already.
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Jul 30, '08 8:24am #17
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XYL.EXECUTOR
well if ur stupid enough to send all gaurds at once then its ur own fault.
normaly u send 5-6 gaurds to wipe out temps. use some queens aswell broodlings. or just ensnare the temps, they wont move fast enough while ur gaurds can micro their way out... |
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Jul 30, '08 4:00pm #18
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BEST[OF]ACE
this has worked in the few games i've played but here it goes.
very late in the game when they have a choke with cannons and a shitload of temps hanging around do this: mass up around 15-20 queens and build up 150 energy (dont forget ups) then prepare all of your hatcheries with rallies into their choke. get 2-3 defilers and mass ultra lings and ovies. send your queens back a ways and send an ovy up front to get vision (this ovy will die) then que up all of your queens to broodling as many temps as you can. after this he will be momentarily stunned without temps and (with swarm) his cannons and air will be useless. mass his choke with ultra and ling and gg. P.S. this is a "Turtle Busting" technique that i use ZvP. its pretty tight :) P.S.S since this is Vanilla and there's no sairs ultra/ling should rape then hell out of them!! :) (make sure to have ovies for arbs tho.) Edited by 5003 on Jul 30, '08 4:02pm about 126 days ago. "NGC" = "Nemesys Gaming Community" Rank: Captian || JD: 11/10/08 Main Race: Terran || i never random (Never) (Started on 11/28/2008) My 100% Honest 1v1 Record: TvP: 0-0 || TvZ: 0-0 || TvT: 0-0 || PvT: 0-0 || ZvT: 0-0 (i update about once per week) |
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Aug 12, '08 12:21pm #19
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DARKSEPH[FF]
Don't let them get into a wide space, ie if you're Zerg, keep them at your choke. This will minimize the effectiveness of templars because the fat dragoons will take up the space of where the templars need to get to storm. Once they have broken into your base and have a wide space, you're pretty much done.
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Aug 14, '08 8:06am #20
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TOO[H]ECTIC
i usually just eat the storms and lose
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