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mS.AnXietY
Jul 25, '08 11:13pm #21
MS.ANXIETY
if they cannon+zeal
3x rax
non stop pump rine + 3 scv micro the fuck outta zealots with rines
while 3 scv's attacking cannons that he start to make
if cannon is just starting to be made 2scv>1cannon
only if its jus starting up, so 3 will do the job ez
Jul 28, '08 4:33am #22
PRO]CHORI-
u just need to micro with rines and then bunk ur choke
Jul 28, '08 4:40am #23
LA.PROSENER
# xB_annihilation
lol...first of all...who calls it a bax...2nd of all...im saying the less racks u have, such a having only 2 rax..and being able to stop a rush like this means ur more pro...learn to read

This is the stupidest comment ever...ur more pro when u stop a rush with 2 racks? bullshit. going 2 racks or 3 OR 4 depends if u think ur playing a z or a p, most of the ppl who goes 2 racks is cuz it's suposed to be tvz so they can fast tank to fast, imo 3 racks is better cuz it's more versatile, doesn't matter if he's Z or P cuz u can do whatever u want. but saying 2 racks is for pros...omg
Jul 28, '08 4:41am #24
PRO]CHORI-
# La.ProSener
This is the stupidest comment ever...ur more pro when u stop a rush with 2 racks? bullshit. going 2 racks or 3 OR 4 depends if u think ur playing a z or a p, most of the ppl who goes 2 racks is cuz it's suposed to be tvz so they can fast tank to fast, imo 3 racks is better cuz it's more versatile, doesn't matter if he's Z or P cuz u can do whatever u want. but saying 2 racks is for pros...omg


LOL at that
Jessica[nK]
Jul 28, '08 8:07am #25
JESSICA[NK]
None of this matters cause as long as the toss is not a noob you will lose 99% of the time no matter how 'good' your micro is, this topic has come up so so many times.


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Jessica[nK]
Jul 28, '08 9:10am #27
JESSICA[NK]
I mean that unless the terran player is much better than the toss player, that it is basically gg. The toss doesn't have to be better than the terran player, even if they are equaly skilled then almost always toss wins. I've seen all the noobs that think that its so easy to beat get owned over and over again even when toss gives them vision. Fact is if you beat a tvp can/zeal rush that your opponent was someone of a much lower skill level than you or you got very lucky.

And don't bother arguing because i'm not just randomly ranting my oppinion, it is the opinion of the thousands of games that I have seen over the years.

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YuSuKe.
Jul 28, '08 9:23am #28
YUSUKE.
Cause We Should Make A Category In The Forums Called TvP Zeal Cannon Push Cause There Is At Least 10 Posts Like This Every Month =) But Yeah Zeal Pushing Is Fucking Hard To Stop
Best[OF]AcE
Jul 28, '08 7:16pm #29
BEST[OF]ACE
there are a few minor changes that could be made to the map that would keep the flow of the game the same but elimate Mathcup imbalances T_T.
i myself made a map a played it with a friend for about a week and it works :)
you can look the map up in the maps section
P.S. if you dl my map... remember it is not done and is only in concept form

"NGC" = "Nemesys Gaming Community"
Rank: Captian || JD: 11/10/08
Main Race: Terran || i never random (Never)

(Started on 11/28/2008) My 100% Honest 1v1 Record:
TvP: 0-0 || TvZ: 0-0 || TvT: 0-0 || PvT: 0-0 || ZvT: 0-0
(i update about once per week)
xYz.juNn
Jul 29, '08 3:57am #30
XYZ.JUNN
why would u post map if its not done? >.>
Jessica[nK]
Jul 29, '08 6:20am #31
JESSICA[NK]
good idea, but noone will adopt it so not much point :S


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clover(lethal)
Jul 29, '08 8:25am #32
CLOVER(LETHAL)
its all about who can pump better and who losses less units.... and 4 rax ftw. hotkey 1234 for the 4 rax, and dont ever get psi stuck and not pump. pump is ez with hotkeys, and just remember to make depots. and then rest of the time u micro the rines.

u can download reps of equally skilled players. and you can see proxy is not guarentee'd win.


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CaL]v[FuRy
Aug 04, '08 3:15pm #33
CAL]V[FURY
# Jessica[nK]
I mean that unless the terran player is much better than the toss player, that it is basically gg. The toss doesn't have to be better than the terran player, even if they are equaly skilled then almost always toss wins. I've seen all the noobs that think that its so easy to beat get owned over and over again even when toss gives them vision. Fact is if you beat a tvp can/zeal rush that your opponent was someone of a much lower skill level than you or you got very lucky.

And don't bother arguing because i'm not just randomly ranting my oppinion, it is the opinion of the thousands of games that I have seen over the years.

Come play me 5 games and you mid build+cpush while giving me vision with me being T.
Best[OF]AcE
Aug 05, '08 1:38pm #34
BEST[OF]ACE
# xYz.juNn
why would u post map if its not done? >.>

so i can make it better. the more reps i have of players using the map the better idea i have of what needs changed.
for instance, if suddenly T suddenly raped P on my map, then i would need to change it so T = P. but it seems nobody is willing to help me so the hell with it.
like Jessica[nK] said... too many noobs unwilling to change maps.

"NGC" = "Nemesys Gaming Community"
Rank: Captian || JD: 11/10/08
Main Race: Terran || i never random (Never)

(Started on 11/28/2008) My 100% Honest 1v1 Record:
TvP: 0-0 || TvZ: 0-0 || TvT: 0-0 || PvT: 0-0 || ZvT: 0-0
(i update about once per week)
xB_annihilation
Aug 05, '08 1:50pm #35
XB_ANNIHILATION
kinda late to be changing maps:P seeing as fastest has been around for many years...and sc 2 is coming out soon:P

"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less"
aka: xB_Demon, xB_f3aR
DarkSeph[FF]
Aug 12, '08 12:17pm #36
DARKSEPH[FF]
The more rax you have, the better chance of survival. 4+ is good to stop that, never stop your marine flow, and lure the zealots back to behind your barracks while you mass up more.


-chill
Dr.Dosed
Sep 05, '08 4:00am #37
DR.DOSED
Um..

depot, 2 racks, gas, acad, firebats - gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg zealots

I just had a numinous experience.

I'm left with a lump in my chest and, well, something else I can't really get a grip on.

t[y]lenol
Sep 05, '08 4:18am #38
T[Y]LENOL
If you know the M/U is TvP (pre-set M/U), heres best thing to do..

If you're getting cannoned, send 2 SCVs out without opponent seeing. These should join up with your scouting SCV. At your base, line up 2-3 bunks and have 2 rines in each (you should have about 2 rax anyway). With your other 3 SCVs, you can now use an assortment of stragies, as you have bought time and space. Have your main barracks hotkeyed, and make sure at least 1 rine is pumping in each @ all times to stop zeals. Then you can go refinery/acad (for bat rush on mins, or to mass M&M and break yourself out), factories (vulture mine harass, don't bother w/ tanks, if you try to blow yourself out zeals will kill), or anything else you can think of.

The primary thing is to create space for yourself. However, your base is always your main priority. If the amount of zeals being sent has slowed down, watch for storm/reaver/DTs. You need to macro yourself out ASAP to even the playing field.

However, easier said than done :)



If all else fails, stack SCVs and rape their main.



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Elite]v[arine
Sep 05, '08 5:18pm #39
ELITE]V[ARINE
# t[y]lenol
If you know the M/U is TvP (pre-set M/U), heres best thing to do..

If you're getting cannoned, send 2 SCVs out without opponent seeing. These should join up with your scouting SCV. At your base, line up 2-3 bunks and have 2 rines in each (you should have about 2 rax anyway). With your other 3 SCVs, you can now use an assortment of stragies, as you have bought time and space. Have your main barracks hotkeyed, and make sure at least 1 rine is pumping in each @ all times to stop zeals. Then you can go refinery/acad (for bat rush on mins, or to mass M&M and break yourself out), factories (vulture mine harass, don't bother w/ tanks, if you try to blow yourself out zeals will kill), or anything else you can think of.

The primary thing is to create space for yourself. However, your base is always your main priority. If the amount of zeals being sent has slowed down, watch for storm/reaver/DTs. You need to macro yourself out ASAP to even the playing field.

However, easier said than done :)



If all else fails, stack SCVs and rape their main.

thats a long shot =\

"NGC" = "Nemesys Gaming Community"
Rank: Captian || JD: 11/10/08
Main Race: Terran || i never random (Never)

(Started on 11/28/2008) My 100% Honest 1v1 Record:
TvP: 0-0 || TvZ: 0-0 || TvT: 0-0 || PvT: 0-0 || ZvT: 0-0
(i update about once per week)
vt.ugly
Sep 30, '08 12:42pm #40
VT.UGLY
Be patience and don't be panic. Get more units and save it until you see he start making cannons. Push out with stacked SCVs and marines. Remember to Shift + A A A A at each cannon... dont' chase zealot around. LOL.
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