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Jul 18, '08 11:18am #1
PHALLIC)VK(
Yeah i cant ever stop that in tvp, even if i scout his probe and dont let him cannon, he'll just mass a shit ton of zealots , at least more than i have MM, then cannon me while im busy trying to fight off zeals. Wtf do you do vs that... Maybe my build sucks.. Whats the proper build for tvp 1v1..

Jul 18, '08 11:20am #2
DEIFY
I can barely stop that, only reason I do stop it if the player is a noob....
Make bunkers in front of base...get bats....and that's all I can say.
I can stop the zealots but the cannon is a pain....so I really don't know, watch some reps of some pros.


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Jul 18, '08 11:26am #3
SONIC-PLAYA
MICRO@!!

Jul 18, '08 11:58am #4
YIPEEE[S]
i can stop it without micro u pubs

Jul 18, '08 12:01pm #5
NYUU
Just lift your cc and float somewhere else. God.

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Jul 18, '08 12:05pm #7
YIPEEE[S]
NOT ALL PROS DO 2 RACK cause i dont and i am a pro

Jul 18, '08 12:25pm #8
XB_ANNIHILATION
^^^^yea.. i can tell "Rank: B2 | Record: 75-116 (+1)" :P

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Jul 18, '08 12:43pm #9
DEIFY
LOL!!!!!
All hail pro.


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Jul 18, '08 12:49pm #10
RIDD1CK[DB]
ok i dont do the 3 bax thing u think im not a pro?

also ive seen reps of tom also not doing the 2 bax thing is he also not a pro?

its called the more bax u got the marines u will hav to stop the rush mricoin is how u stop it and then make sure there out of your bace and do one of 2 things Fact or triple

depending on the person your vsing and what there goin

Edited by 3653 on Jul 18, '08 12:50pm about 139 days ago.


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Jul 18, '08 1:08pm #11
XB_ANNIHILATION
lol...first of all...who calls it a bax...2nd of all...im saying the less racks u have, such a having only 2 rax..and being able to stop a rush like this means ur more pro...learn to read

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Jul 21, '08 7:46pm #12
CAL]V[FURY
I can barely stop that, only reason I do stop it if the player is a noob....
Make bunkers in front of base...get bats....and that's all I can say.
I can stop the zealots but the cannon is a pain....so I really don't know, watch some reps of some pros.

Meh, I guess the bunker would work but it's going to slow down your TvZ(if you happen to get the m/u) and chances are the toss will have a zealot there before your bunker finishes(if they're good).

I personally go 3 racks for TvP and TvZ and get gas after first barrack finished. This leaves it open to do decent in both m/u's. Trick is to try and kill the probe without losing many marines. If you kill that first probe your chances just went up to holding the cpush by a good 15%. If you kill the 2nd one it's BEYOND easy to hold it. Basically, as soon as I see midbuild I get 2 bunkers, one infront of CC and one behind. This is where the multitasking comes in. You need to be able to micro while trying to kill probe, while pumping, and while building/upgrading(stim/range/seige). I'd suggest building factory behind CC so it's easy to stack repair(both bunkers/factory).

Edit: Pure micro probably won't work vs good people. If you pull back your rines to micro, chances are they'll do the same with zealots considering their whole purpose is just stall until cannons are made.

ok i dont do the 3 bax thing u think im not a pro?

also ive seen reps of tom also not doing the 2 bax thing is he also not a pro?

its called the more bax u got the marines u will hav to stop the rush mricoin is how u stop it and then make sure there out of your bace and do one of 2 things Fact or triple

depending on the person your vsing and what there goin

No, I don't think you're a pro.

Jul 21, '08 7:51pm #13
DEIFY
Meh, I guess the bunker would work but it's going to slow down your TvZ(if you happen to get the m/u) and chances are the toss will have a zealot there before your bunker finishes(if they're good).

I personally go 3 racks for TvP and TvZ and get gas after first barrack finished. This leaves it open to do decent in both m/u's. Trick is to try and kill the probe without losing many marines. If you kill that first probe your chances just went up to holding the cpush by a good 15%. If you kill the 2nd one it's BEYOND easy to hold it. Basically, as soon as I see midbuild I get 2 bunkers, one infront of CC and one behind. This is where the multitasking comes in. You need to be able to micro while trying to kill probe, while pumping, and while building/upgrading(stim/range/seige). I'd suggest building factory behind CC so it's easy to stack repair(both bunkers/factory).

I have seen that a lot in the reps I dl here. The only problem is actually doing it X_X
TvZ is not a problem with me a whole lot, but TvP is where I struggle. Just last year I learned how to stop zealot rushes from huge amount to small amount that are effective. But back then I had someone to train me, so to do this I would have to play a lot of TvP against good people with a lot of losses :D
But what you said I will do. :D Ty <3


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Jul 21, '08 10:40pm #14
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i can stop it without micro u pubs


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Jul 21, '08 11:08pm #15
UNDEFEAT.CHAMP
msg me on battle.net i train you all to be like iamchampion. #1 vgt every season but banned becuz no one is on my level

Jul 21, '08 11:21pm #16
S]H-ONLY1GOD
ill message u soon... i wanna be in ur level

Jul 22, '08 12:01am #17
MEGASTARCRAFT20
i dont have this problem because i just use the force and pull some gosu boxer micro and after i do that my opponent is like "liek pmg hes pulling some kind of crazy gosu boxer micro on me i should just leave now and go cry" and so they do and so i win

its just that easy

Jul 22, '08 12:11am #18
JELLYBELLY
if u get scouted early by probe, u should go 3~4 rax... fast bats can be bad if they get up 1 can... just keep pumping rines and try not to lose any.


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Jul 22, '08 12:15am #19
KADAJ[FF]
i used to suck @ this 2, but now im pretty good, i suggest gaming with a friend that's a bit better then u in skill tvp him over and over, u will need to increase ur macro, so u can micro his zealot , c push while getting ur fac, + cc up, and 1 thing don't build ur acad where it's easy for zealot's to target, put it between ur supply depot's or something, losing acad will cause u to lose.

Then bunker + tank push ur way out ~ defending a c push will cause u to build messy half the time, because it's harder 2 expand with cannon's in the way just get 3-4 scv's out there start massing facs or rack's w/e u prefer just try to keep ur money low, that show's ur still spending it, most ppl getting owned by c push are rich as fuck, because they think they can't expand, because there blocked in.



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Jul 22, '08 10:58pm #20
CAL]V[FURY
kadaj, that's because you CAN'T expand half the time. Usually they send zealots in to check for any extra buildings on the side and kill scv's and what not.
I have seen that a lot in the reps I dl here. The only problem is actually doing it X_X
TvZ is not a problem with me a whole lot, but TvP is where I struggle. Just last year I learned how to stop zealot rushes from huge amount to small amount that are effective. But back then I had someone to train me, so to do this I would have to play a lot of TvP against good people with a lot of losses :D
But what you said I will do. :D Ty <3

Yea, it took me a few weeks to get the hang of it. But then against I stuck with 1 strat to get it done(3 racks). I'd advice just playing mass 1v1's. You'll get TvP against noobs and good players. Of course you'll lose a lot, but the wins you get will give you quite a bit of confidence. My favorite thing in the whole game is stopping a cpush and pulling a win and stopping carriers and pulling a win.

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