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Nova
December 2nd, 2008 11:21am #1Nova
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The U.S.  economy has been in a recession for all of 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research said Monday.

The Cambridge, Mass.-based organization dates business cyces, basing its decisions on the consensus of economists.  The current recession declaration follows a conference call Friday, the NBER said in its statement Monday.

The expansion that ended in December 2007 began in November 2001, the NBER said.

The NBER based its conclusion in large part on measures of gross domestic product and gross domestic income.

The organization said in its statement Monday: “Many of these indicators, including monthly data on the largest component of GDP, consumption, have declined sharply in recent months.”


http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stor .. 2/01/daily5.html

Its finally been officially declared a recession in the United States. They've been avoiding the word for so long. Any thoughts on the issue?
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December 2nd, 2008 11:25am #2ArMy[XgK]
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It can't be argued. About time they admitted it.
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SgT.Deify
December 2nd, 2008 1:50pm #3SgT.Deify
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Bye bye General Motors. ^_^
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December 2nd, 2008 1:52pm #4SilenT.HarMonY-
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I blame canada.
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December 2nd, 2008 2:49pm #5Spartan[nK]
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I wonder if Black Friday helped at all..
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SgT.Deify
December 2nd, 2008 2:50pm #6SgT.Deify
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^ Didn't it make it worse? The stock market dropped 600+ points today.  O_O
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vLST
December 2nd, 2008 3:00pm #7vLST
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Take a look at what Peter Schiff is saying..the man who fortold the collaps years ago when other "experts" said things like "the American economy is in great shape", "no danger", and mocked and laughted at Schiff for his warnings.



for more videos of this person warning even before the problems really was seen mainstream (like over a year ago) you will find here:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Phi .. olis&view=videos



You think its gonna soon be better some years ahead..that the goverment actions gonna "buy you out" if this ?? ..well, I tell you, its rather gonna be alot alot ALOT WORSE.  You better prepare yourself America, cuz you are DOOMED. (and btw not only you ofcause..)

I would be happy if I was you if I got the things you REALLY need like clothes, shelter and food in the troubleous time to come..the rest of all the vain stuff you care so much about I think you can very soon say good bye to.

I think you would do alot better if you buy some equipment and some potatos for the future then to buy SC II and hope that you goverment is going to feed you when you are hungry.
SgT.Deify
December 2nd, 2008 3:03pm #8SgT.Deify
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You do realize that when USA does down, pretty much the rest of the world goes down.  I am not saying it to make it seem USA is big and mighty, which is somewhat is, but USA buys a lot of stuff and without people buying things = laid off workers and thus meaning closing the business.
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vLST
December 2nd, 2008 3:27pm #9vLST
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I agree with you Deify, the economy is connected world wide, and the problems will not ofcause only effect USA.  Its bailout and things like that all over Europe too.

"USA buys a lot of stuff "

yes you do...with borrowed money.  Americas debt is just unbeliveble...


U.S National Debt Clock
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Take also a look at :
Grandfather Economic Report series
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/debt-summary-table.htm

"Our Federal Government Debt Report shows $9.2 Trillion of debt as of end CY 2007, the State & Local Government Report shows debt of $2.2 Trillion, and $41.6 Trillion of private (household, business and financial sector) debt is revealed in America's Total Debt Report.

These sum to $53 Trillion - - equivalent to $175,154 per capita, or $700,616 per family of 4.
(This sum does not include the federal government's un-funded contingent liabilities such as Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid estimated at $107 trillion, plus additional unknown amounts (?) for other contingencies listed below.)"
SgT.Deify
December 2nd, 2008 3:36pm #10SgT.Deify
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I know USA is in debt, it's been mentioned to me MANY times, but that's exactly what I mean.  If USA did not borrow money from banks from other countries, then who would borrow the money? They would be the same as before.  They might be a tad bit better off, but not a whole lot to actually make some profit.
All I am saying is that without the USA, as it is now, we would still be living in a world where communism will flourish and still be somewhat 3rd world.
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Nova
December 2nd, 2008 3:57pm #11Nova
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Stock market finished up 270 points today.
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vLST
December 2nd, 2008 5:07pm #12vLST
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I think you soon is going to have something that is very similar to communism or fascism in USA.  Its very clear that America does not have real capitalism/free marked anymore.  I mean, could it be more clear..when the goverment is intervening and bailing out companies that in a free marked would not have stayed alive?

And how do they keep them alive? by the insanity of making even more debt, or printing money out of thin air, OR TAX THE PEOPLE.  All common sense tells that this is a very bad idea, and if so they actually making the problems even bigger in the future.  Now, when those problems are coming (because of the "fix"(bailouts etc) they now do) the goverment is going to try correct those problems again with even more interventions, bailouts and CONTROL over the "phony free marked" and society as whole.  History has shown that this an EXTREEMLY bad idea..however they will ofcause say "we have to do this to maintain the order"

The goverments in America and many many other contries over the world have made it VERY PLAIN to the WHOLE GLOBE that they have chosen a way that leds from "free marked/capitalism" and to something that you could very well call "goverment control/dictatorship/sosialism/communism/fascism". Im not saying we are right there yet, however its very clear which direction we are going.  More and more GOVERMENT CONTROL "to fix the problems"


Same thing happening here in Norway.  The goverment has started to support/uphold banks/companies/projects/stuffs that probably would not have any place in a real free marked.


I think you could kiss free maked and real capitalism good bye..for "goverment control/dictatorship/communism/facsim" here we come...

and this time it would probably not be for only a part of the world, but world wide.



Wake up people, and see where we are going.
SgT.Deify
December 2nd, 2008 5:10pm #13SgT.Deify
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I am pretty sure a lot of people know where we are headed, yet we still are unsure where we are headed.  There are many theories in which states where we are headed, but it doesn't mean it's true.

Also, what do you plan to do about this whole issue?
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vLST
December 2nd, 2008 6:08pm #14vLST
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Well, what is coming is out of this (sooner or later) is of cause a "new world order".


What do I plan to do?

I hope to prepare my self....

1.  Prepare... spiritally, that is, to fix my case with the Creator.  That should be priority 1.  ofcause.

2.  Prepare... in earthly things, like food, what can be eaten in nature etc.  You might hope the goverment is going to help you, and they should ofcause, however do not at all EXPECT it.
SgT.Deify
December 2nd, 2008 6:27pm #15SgT.Deify
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Looks like you're waiting for Armageddon.  xD
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December 2nd, 2008 7:02pm #16eXqUiSiTe.
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I'm not sure there is anything to prepare for, especially since it is already upon us and has been for a year now. As of now it seems it is more of a questions of which companies will suffer the most, which people will suffer the most and possibly even which part of the country will suffer the most. Obviously there are many other questions out there that could be posed, but as for now people are most likely going to keep their money close to their chest. Sales of luxury goods will most likely fall and people will begin to focus their spending on necessity goods to ensure financial stability in the case that this economic funk continues for years to come.
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Nova
December 2nd, 2008 9:58pm #17Nova
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I agree with you Deify, the economy is connected world wide, and the problems will not ofcause only effect USA.  Its bailout and things like that all over Europe too.

"USA buys a lot of stuff "

yes you do...with borrowed money.  Americas debt is just unbeliveble...


U.S National Debt Clock
http://brillig.com/debt_clock/

Take also a look at :
Grandfather Economic Report series
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/debt-summary-table.htm

"Our Federal Government Debt Report shows $9.2 Trillion of debt as of end CY 2007, the State & Local Government Report shows debt of $2.2 Trillion, and $41.6 Trillion of private (household, business and financial sector) debt is revealed in America's Total Debt Report.

These sum to $53 Trillion - - equivalent to $175,154 per capita, or $700,616 per family of 4.
(This sum does not include the federal government's un-funded contingent liabilities such as Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid estimated at $107 trillion, plus additional unknown amounts (?) for other contingencies listed below.)"


That national debt clock is skewed. We borrow the majority of the money from ourselves. We take trillions of dollars out of our social security system (our own money for retirement) to balance our budget. I think we only have about 15% of our debt with foreign countries.
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eXqUiSiTe.
December 2nd, 2008 10:08pm #18eXqUiSiTe.
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I believe you are correct. If I am not mistaken, I believe our social security and medicare system actually have surpluses at the moment, which is because we are constnatly taking money out of our "general fund" and borrowing it to other "funds". So yeah, we are basically borrowing money from ourselves which is basically taking funds from one area and allocating them to a different area.
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December 2nd, 2008 10:10pm #19143
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What exactly is recession? Also, is that why gas prices is becoming cheaper? Because it was going down before the bailout plan?
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Dx.Pulse
December 2nd, 2008 10:14pm #20Dx.Pulse
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O well.  Had to happen sooner or later if you ask me :/.
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